New Dry Cell that works
From TLG Hydrogen
Terry From TLGhydrogen.com has now come out with a cell that produces much higher volumes of HHO. with HOD
He has asked me to post his website here so the info get's out to the world,
Terry shows how the cell is made on his website for free to all. -link-
no more wimpy 1 or 2 Lpm cells this unit makes 1 to 25+ Lpm
Get the word out before anyone can try to squash this info.
I have spent alot of money on different styles of generators, welder, all the correct safty inline devices. Mine is a tubular cell that has had 15 diff configurations. Heat is a problem with the cell. only if the wiring is correct.
tkp4jhk2 26 May : 08:40
Greetings, I guess I just typed a chat that was too long. My 2006 KIA 2.0 efi is getting 42/49 mpg, according how clean the cell is kept. More info? email me and I will return a play by play of 1 yr trials and UREKA
hi xrvic,i've got 3 of these meyer style ss tubes on my ford transit 2.5 diesel 18ft rv ,diesel loves hho i get 70% increase in mpg on motorway !+ my cell only makes just over half alitre pm!.Flyingdoc .uk.
I'm getting more than 35mpg on my 20yo (burning oil engine) car without any HHO. not a single gain at about 1li/min and my car has a 1.5li engine, soooo
where are the new projects from senior members that would keep me and others in here as well as to bring new members as well.
this chat box needs work I cant scroll down or even preview it
Be patient granity. Fuel prices will soon be racing upward again and people will "remember" to visit this site again. Whether they will actually do anything is still the question however.
Has anyone tried the generator made from two peices of stainless pipe one about 4 in in diameter with the other a little smaller inside the large one how doese this compare with the plate system I want to put a generater or two on my 02 dodge 5.9 deisel Has anyone here put this on a deisel i have many questions vic
Go to Jaycar.com.au or similar. Buy through them the performance car publications as well as the appropriate kits. Jaycar are for the hobbyist but there semiconductors etc are first class. Thing is if you wanna do something you gotta do it yourself. these guys will help and they are cheap.
Goodevening. I have a 1992 Ford F250,7.5L gasser.The MAP sensor is pulse frequency not voltage controlled.The MAP enhancers I see for sale say they will not work on a frequency type MAP sensor. How do you deal with the computer for running too rich?
0.83 Amps at 10000 volts is 8.3 kVA thats a lot of power mate. How sure are you that Stanly Meyers is no more than a disinformation program? What are the facts and what experiments of Stans are duplicatable?
I have been trying to understand Stanly Meyers voltage intensifying circut.The only thing I can come up with is a auto coil . It operates at about .83 amps and produces about 10000volts.Can any one Help.
Registered Member #42
Joined Sat Mar 12 2005, 07:57PM
posts 3
A friend of mine bought plans for a hydrostar system and we are going to start gathering materials for the project shortly. The one thing that really concerns me about this design is the fact that it produces a highly flammable gas and an oxidizer in the same chamber. It would seem to me the simple effect of friction in the transfer lines creating enough static electricity to turn the whole thing into a potential bomb. %-6 Any views / comments on this?
In my opinion, the generator would need a divider of sorts between the positive and negative electrodes (with a common water supply for both) as to seperate the 2 gases from each other so that the O2 could be vented off to air and the pure hydrogen could be piped to the device / engine to be fueled.
Another problem with this, since you couldn't have a pressure differential between either side, would be that, you would have to have a compressor of sorts to compress a sufficient volume of hydrogen to be useful, on-demand.
Any thoughts or comments on this theory are welcome! ;)
Registered Member #42
Joined: Sat Mar 12 2005, 07:57PM
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lrover wrote: ... A friend of mine bought plans for a hydrostar system and we are going to start gathering materials for the project shortly.
I'm going to retract this statement for the simple reason that an on-board H2 generator does not have the needed capacity to generate enough hydrogen to successfully run a vehicle. See the bottom half of the page in the link below.
If in the near future, I see a technology that will successfully produce what the 'Hydrostar' system claims, I'll pursue it. I know enough about flammable materials (from firsthand experience with the power of a small hydrogen explosion) to know that you don't mix fuel and an oxidizer until you're ready to burn it in a controlled environment (i.e. an internal combustion cylinder or a flame in open air.)
Hydrogen fuel cells look promising, the Bingo gas system using cold fusion looks relatively dangerous and uses huge currents to produce a relatively small amount of gas and require a consumable element to produce this gas (the carbon rods).
United Nuclears research with hydride filled tanks looks the most promising for a hydrogen powered vehicle, but there is still the problems (and power, and time) involved with producing enough hydrogen to power the vehicle.
I'm sure a lot of this will be worked out in the very near future and I will be keeping a close eye on this site and others for new developments.
I'm tired of buying gas at 2.37 a gallon even for my little '71 VW Bug!
I would have to say don’t believe every thing you read. Those who believe something can't be done can't do it. So they don't try. Take the basics and go from there. .. At one time people believed the world was flat. ;)
[ Edited Sun Mar 13 2005, 01:09AM ] I don’t try to conserve renewable energy.....I use as much of it as I can
Registered Member #38
Joined: Fri Mar 11 2005, 04:33PM
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Bryan,
have you tried your h2 generator design to run a vehicle yet? it seems there is more than enough gas to power one. I saw on the energy2000 yahoo group that someone was able to idle an engine using their electrolyzer but couldn't throttle it. This is exactly what the united nuclear page said COULDN'T be done. I second your opinion. Don't believe everything you read.
Unfortunately I have not had my car running completely on h2
My goal is improve gas mileage to 100 mpg. Without a reduction in power.
I have some ideas in my head. I just don’t have the finances to carry it all out at this time
I do believe my goal is highly obtainable and more. Just one step at a time.
About the yahoo group. I had also read about that. But I don’t remember if he/she said what size of engine it was running at an idle... I can run my weed eater off of my h2 generator
With an external battery. So there are many unanswered questions about that particular experiment.
I don’t try to conserve renewable energy.....I use as much of it as I can
Registered Member #51
Joined: Tue Mar 15 2005, 07:31AM
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IROVER really needs to get back on this group and defend the idea that he "just found out" hydrogen on-the-fly is impossible. I know enough about government to know that this is just the type of crap they perpetuate.
I read a website about a guy experimenting in electrolysis who actually let his cute little girl hold the blowtorch up to the hydrogen-oxygen soap bubbles they made and explode them. They had a great time! Yet this guy is trying to scare people away from experimenting because of his "personal experience" of a hydrogen explosion. Okay, and is that Brooklyn Bridge still for sale?
Does he really think we're dumb enough to think that combining hydrogen with "an oxidizer" will make us blow up? I think it just makes water.
I haven't checked out the (gov't sponsored) websites he directed us to. I already know what they say:
THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE HYDROGEN A VIABLE FUEL IS IF THE OIL COMPANIES CONVERT THEIR STATIONS TO SELL IT! YOU CAN'T MAKE IT IN YOUR GARAGE!
Registered Member #51
Joined: Tue Mar 15 2005, 07:31AM
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lrover wrote: ...
lrover wrote: ... A friend of mine bought plans for a hydrostar system and we are going to start gathering materials for the project shortly.
I'm going to retract this statement for the simple reason that an on-board H2 generator does not have the needed capacity to generate enough hydrogen to successfully run a vehicle. See the bottom half of the page in the link below.
Geez, I am so dumb. I actually responded to this idiot. He joined and posted, then waited two hours, then posted again telling us not to experiment with hydrogen, basically.
Sorry if anyone wasted their time reading my rebuttal.
Read the rebuttal; won't say it's a waste... It's actually a good example of the kind of thinking that is needed: think it up and try it out, at least a couple of times! And on the topic of impossible stuff: has anyone designed an upgrade for that poor bumblebee yet? Imagine, flying with an unaerodynamic shape... Unacceptable! ;)
Registered Member #452
Joined: Tue Feb 07 2006, 09:40PM
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i made a unit using a 5 gallon plastic pail.put a 3/8 plastic line to feed into the air intake system of my diesel engine.runs around 30 amps didnt put a devider in.temperature of the water runs around 180 degrees...................increased my fuel milage about 25%
Registered Member #484
Joined: Sun Feb 26 2006, 09:42PM
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Hi Member 42
Post 12 Mar 06
I would not worry about seperating the hydrogen and oxygen. In fact by so doing you may lose the effect you are looking for. The
real contibution of Carl Rhodes and Yull Brown is that they were not afraid to used a mixed gas. Carl Rhodes original patent is for A COMMON DUCTED GAS. That is to say that the two gases
of Hydrogen and Oxygen are supplied together (side by each, if you will) to the point of combustion. First they are seperated by electrolysis, then they are moved in a common duct by vacuum preasure, or pumped, (c.f. Archie Blue: US Pat. No. 4,124,463 ~
28 NOV 78) or migrate to the point of combustion where again electricity is applied and the gas reforms and leaves only
water. Thus it is proved that A: ELECTRICITY PLUS WATER =
RHODES/BROWNS GAS and B: ELECTRICITY PLUS RHODES/
BROWNS GAS = WATER! This is as clever as it is important.
It seems that as long R/B Gas remains under containment under low preasure and is supplied on board for use,
it is about as safe as gasoline. No SPARKS to the container
(reactor?) or to the ducting hose.
A FLASH BACK ARRESTER does seem like a good idea. Locate same near the point where the R/B Gas enters the intake manifold or carb, as the case may be. Carl Rhodes suggests using steel wool or an aquariam stone filter as a flash back arrester. George Wiseman mentions the use of a cigarette
filter. He also says that in - line mechanical filters (commonly found at auto stores in the vacuum fittings section for about $4.00) may clog up or not be fast enough to deal with the flame speed. Rhodes clocked the speed at something like MACH 2.3. So if something does go wrong it is going to happen quickly.
The Yull Brown patents I have seen use a secondary chamber
where the gas is bubbled up through water and then ducted to the tourch. A flash back arrestor is shown close to the handle or nozzle of the tourch.
I have tried the steel wool and the vacuume fitting both at the same time. A few days later I checked the vacuume fitting and it was clogged. Yesterday I hooked up the electrolizer to a 5HP Briggs and Stranton generator and forgot to hook up the flash back arrester. I lived to tell the tale. But I should add that I did have two aquarium stones bubbling away under aquarium pumb preasure, in the electrolizer.
Clearly there is an IDEAL flash back arrester but I have not found it yet. I put steel wool in a 5"clear plastic hose and then put the R/B Gas line snugly inside the clear plastic hose.
Registered Member #544
Joined: Fri Apr 28 2006, 06:57PM
Location: Sydney Australia
posts 4
Sorry I havent built the Hydrostar unit, I built a simple Electrolyser, A very efficient one.
1. I use a " Bubbler " a gas fuse if you like- an isolation device to
avoid Major Explosions.
2. There has Never been Any Problems with my HydroBooster.
3. It SAVES me at least 6% in MPG. Has many other benifits to my
engine. Link to project: http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=128
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4. You do want to use the Oxygen. This is part of the energy to
be consumed in your motor.
5. As a HydroBooster , the unit Improves the burn of the Petrol.
6. I have not yet Altered my ignition timing, I can probably lean
Off the fuel mixture to make some real savings.
7. The Main side benifit is that it Makes engine run cooler.!
Not what you would expect from Burning Hydrogen but its
true.
8 My unit only uses 7.2 A but even this little bit is saving me
Money..
9. Please note that Computer controlled engines will normally
have O2 sensor that will act to Reverse the fuel saving
aspect - and just give MORE Power. There are devices to
" OFFSET the O2 sensor " and improve economy.
If you have the Electrolyser........I encourage you to connect
it to your car and save Money on fuel.!
cheers, Glenn.
Hi Glenn:
Nice work on that link. could not read the whole thing but .. nice .. m8.. nice.
no videos yet?
I will read as much as I can to try to keep up with your project. Ive got some ideas of my own that i would like to try as well.
no knocking or pingigng of the engine? i hear that retarding timing a little helps( if you need to).
at this time im confused with the whole series thing but ill get there.
please correct me if im wrong.
the set up is 4 plates connected to a + rod and 4 plates connected to - rod. ( +-+-+-+-) at least thats how i got my test electroizer.
